Non Vax'ers, what about school age?

mumofone · #1 (**permalink**) 12-08-2008, 04:01 PM

Years ago when our son was conceived we read up a lot on to vax or not to vax. I am happy we chose not to, but to be honest I can not remember a lot of the text info on the subject, I do remember the general ideas. I have not really kept myself up to date with it since. My chiro at the time did make a suggestion to me to at least hold off till my son was school age, if I could not go through with not having him vaxed at all.

Well he is now entering Kinder and I was wondering how the other mums of non vaxed kids feel about this? Did you consider picking a few of the vax's available, or did you end up having them all? Or did you just go with your original plan and not have any, and if so why?

Meningicoccal (sp?) is one that slightly worries me, and to be honest it had only just came out back when my little one was born so I did not look into it to much. I guess it worries me because I am uneducated about it. I dont care at all about chkn pox, rubella, mumps, flu's and would never bother to give him these. Measles I have a slight concern for, and I do not even know the rest they vacc for??

Thanks in advance for any advice

mumofone

**Nyree** · #2 (**permalink**) 13-08-2008, 01:32 PM

DD won't be going to kindy until 2010, but I still won't be vaxxing her. I researched vaccination when I was studying Naturopathy & found nothing to convince me it was right for my children.

You might like to check out threads on vax to read others experiences & for links to external sites.

Marmee · #3 (**permalink**) 13-08-2008, 02:34 PM

Hi.

A few thoughts....our children won't be getting vax'ed before school either. We have used homeoprophylaxis for whopping cough and may look into using it for some other childhood illnesses (measles and Hib, specifically), however it won't just be because they are of school age. It's just something we are considering at the moment.

Your chiro may have suggested leaving it until your child is school age as it is then that thier bodies are more mature and their immune systems stronger and more able to work with the vaccine. Giving these vaccines to little tiny babies is cruel in my opinion. If you want to give any vaccines, I too, would wait until they are older, and give only the ones you feel necessary. Or consider homeoprophylaxis

When considering Meningococcal vaccines, remember that they aren't able to vaccinate against the most common strain. So, we think - what's the darn point of it, then???

mumofone · #4 (**permalink**) 13-08-2008, 05:51 PM

I had never considered homeoprophylaxis, do I see a Naturopath for this? What is the basis of how it works, and Marmee why did you only select to use one so far? What is Hib?

Good point on the Meningococcal, what is the point of this then?? Can anyone who is pro vax let me know their opinion on this? Sounds similar in principal to the Flu vaccine, which can not protect you from all Flu's I suppose.

I agree about injecting babies, when I had to meet my doctor for the consiencous (sp?) objectors form, he told me the main reason for injecting so young was to get as many as possible before irresponsible parents let their childrens schedule fall by the way side! So they are injecting babies because some parents (who like to vax) might be to lazy!!! I was also told Rubella was given to protect pregnant mothers who were not vaxed when they were young....so my baby needs a jab to protect a mother who had the chance to have a vax from their teenage years onwards if they were concerned. I can understand some of the vax for children to protect them, not that I would personally use them ever on a young one, but for the sake of the above reasons just seems ludicrous. I did read in Japan most of the vax on their schedule is administered after 2 yrs old, I think Sweden may be the same...correct me if I am wrong, but I thought I read an article on studies those countries had conducted on the ill effects for under 2's v's the risks of them catching the diseases. Unlike our country.......it baffles me how little research a developed country like Australia has done in this area.

Marmee · #5 (**permalink**) 13-08-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mumofone

I had never considered homeoprophylaxis, do I see a Naturopath for this? What is the basis of how it works, and Marmee why did you only select to use one so far? What is Hib?

A homeopath would be able to give you lots of info on this. It is basically using homeopathically prepared substances in a systematic manner in order to prevent the development of the infectious disease.

Why did we choose to homeopathically treat against whopping cough? Several reasons....some of which include the fact that this is an epidemic infection, that breastfeeding can in no way provide any protection from it (unlike many of the other illnesses) and we just decided that, to provide our infant with a non-toxic form of protection from this distressing disease was better than them both catching it.

Unlike, say, chickenpox, which we are OK to work with should our children contract it.

Hib (Haemophilis influenzae type b) is associated with many common infections and is the major cause of meningitis and epiglottis in children under 5 (both often fatal). It is NOT related to the flu as some people think. From memory, the peak age for this disease has passed by 3 years of age.

Hope that help

Remembering, that it is simply OUR reasons, based upon OUR research and the information we have had at the time

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Originally Posted by mumofone

...it baffles me how little research a developed country like Australia has done in this area.

Ahhhh - but who benefits from those who are vax'ed? The same people that are enforcing the vaccinations - the Govt. All in it for the $$$$.

meitaimama · #6 (**permalink**) 14-08-2008, 09:43 AM

From what I can remember from my reading, the meningoccal vaccine protects against the rarest strain but it's also the most deadly strain.

How does the government profit financially from vaccination? I would have thought that it's actually very expensive for them to provide millions of free vaccines. I can see how it's beneficial in other ways to have mass vaccination though.

We are also wondering what to do about our dd1' vaxes - she is now 3yo and hasn't had the mmr, meningoccocal or varicella. We had her fully vaxed to 6mo as we were going to India, but we're going to India again with 2mo dd2 next month and we're only getting her the dtp.

Marmee · #7 (**permalink**) 14-08-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by meitaimama

How does the government profit financially from vaccination?

Ok - I am going to have to re-watch a video that I saw this on probably about 4 years ago....but basically, my understanding was that the companies producing the vaccines pay $$ to govt for their distribution, promotion etc. The company themselves, in turn, makes a packet themselves. The news, out of the horse's mouth is on a video marketed by the AVN.

kristamumof3 · #8 (**permalink**) 14-08-2008, 05:33 PM

A vaccine exists for type C Meningococcal disease only which is the most deadly but most unlikely form.

I didn't change my mind about vaccines once my child started school. I live in an area with 98% immunization so I know that his chances of getting anything are slim. In his 1.5 years at school I have not heard of anything other than chicken pox which is not a life threatening disease. I absolutely know that I can make my decision not to immunize much easier because of the high rates around me. I understand why the greater community believes that immunizing is the best but I don't believe that it is the best for my children.

We seem to have autistic behaviours in the family and the more I have looked into this I don't like the role that immunization seems to play. I don't believe that they in-and-of-themselves are the cause of autism but I do believe that they somehow can be the tipping point for children with a predisposition to spectrum disorders. We are over loading these little livers with such massive amounts of toxins - more than was ever done with our generation.

I am lucky because I finally have a gp who doesn't believe in them. It is so nice to go to see the doctor without having to arm myself ready for a fight. I remember one day with an previous gp who asked me to go out to the children's hospital to have a look at all the children with the serious illnesses and then decide. I then asked him if these were the children who had already been immunized against these diseases and then he went very quiet.

mizzjen1987 · #9 (**permalink**) 16-09-2008, 03:25 PM

HI there

I just joined to day and i wanted to get some other mothers opinions. If anyone knows if there are any doctors out the that will look after a baby in their practice that haven't been vaccinated? and if you don't get your baby vaccinated do you have to hand in the immunisation exemption form into medicare? and why?

Thank You Mizzjen1987

kristamumof3 · #10 (**permalink**) 16-09-2008, 03:46 PM

Welcome Mizzjen1987.

Any doctor should look after your baby regardless of whether or not they have been immunized. It is your choice. They may not agree but they can't refuse to attend to them. My kids have had 3 GP's. The first two were pro vaccination and discussed it with me. Once discussed and my point of view was made then it wasn't discussed again. The GP that the kids have now doesn't believe in immunizations so I am wrapped.

Medicare like you to have a Conscientious Objection signed by you and your doctor to ensure that you have spoken with a doctor and know the risks. Once this is signed you will never have to do it again. It is handy to keep some copies of the form to hand to pre-school and school when they ask for proof of immunization. Medicare to it to ensure that you have made an informed decision and hold back the child care benefit payment (I think) before they receive it as they also do until your child's immunizations are up to date.

Cheers,